Going on hiatus

Hi folks,

Due to illness and life interference, we are going on hiatus for a while. We will not be doing the chat scheduled for 9/21, but still encourage you to read the book if it sounds up your alley.

Thanks to everyone who has been a part of our discussions. We appreciate you.

Our next book is Three-Way Split!

NOTE: This discussion has been cancelled, due to illness and life interference.

So, we have noticed that folks are not joining in on our book club discussions. First, we wanted to explicitly say that we would love you to join us, in case that wasn’t clear!

We are also trying something a bit different with our next book: taking more time to read, and a livetweet/read-along before the scheduled discussion.

  • We will begin reading on August 17th, and as we read, we will share responses and quotes using the the hashtag  and we encourage you to join in and do your own livetweeting of your read using the hashtag. (Then folks can mute it if they want!)
  • Our next Polyam Book Club discussion (using the hashtag ) will be Saturday 9/21/19 at 11am PDT/2pm EDT/7pm BST

We got super excited that a polyamorous romance won a RITA this year, and so we decided to make Three-Way Split by Elia Winters our next book!

Three-Way Split

Three-Way SplitHannah Stewart’s always been different when it comes to relationships. Monogamy doesn’t work for her. She needs more. And more is something most people can’t handle.

She gets more than she bargains for, though, when she partners up with local brewery owners Mitchell and Ben for a business venture and finds herself attracted to both of them. She proposes polyamory, where she dates each of them with their full consent.

Mitchell Fredericks and Ben Harrington have been “friends with benefits” for years. But with Hannah in the mix, it’s not so easy to ignore emotions. She brings out a side of them they’d never been willing to face head-on, especially as their separate relationships shift into a menage.

Desire, friendship, and boundaries will be put to the test. If they can’t learn to swallow their fear and communicate, everything will fall apart.

Content Warnings (highlight to read)

Bi MC experienced intense bi antagonism from his ex. A couple instances of cissexist language. Use of the phrase “wanting more” to reference wanting romance. Alcohol use. Sex on the page. Consensual kink including D/s, pain play, and bondage.

Discussion questions will be posted closer to the discussion time!

 

Q&A with Racheline Maltese

snareSnare was the first book we discussed, and Racheline Maltese, one of the authors, generously volunteered to answer reader questions! Here is that Q&A, which illuminates new things about the story and the characters, including subjects that came up in our conversation about the book!

Q: What led you to write Snare and to set it in NYC?

A: I’m a native New Yorker, and Snare is actually based on/inspired by a real apartment building in the city. 34 Gramercy Park East was built in 1883 and was one of (if not the) first luxury apartment buildings in the city. It had elevators. It was very exciting.

At any rate, I used to live around the corner from this building, and would often walk around the small, private park in the evenings. Every time I passed the building, I got a shiver. It just always felt different. Eventually, I even had the opportunity to go inside when I auditioned for a play with a writer who lived there. Like many grand New York buildings, over time many of the original apartment layouts have been further divided with renovations taking place in different decades (and centuries). I was fascinated by its maze-like quality and how at one moment I’d be looking at smooth walls and recessed lighting from an 80s renovation and at the next what were clearly the original fixtures of the building.

Anyway, the building had haunted my imagination for over a decade, and when Erin and I were feeling each other out about vampires (Snare was written fairly early in our partnership), I finally found a use for this space.

Q: It feels like consent is a complex thing in Snare, that there are moments where it is murky, and moments where it is broken, as well as moments where it is clear. Can you describe your intentions in writing about consent this way in the story?

A: I think, in general, Erin and I are always interested in the places where life is messy. In general, we’re very consent-focused in our fiction, and have certainly become more so as time has gone on (the political climate, an awareness of what the readers who like our stuff want, our own personal comfort, etc.) but vampires felt like a place where we could look at consent from a messier, more toxic place. It certainly felt safer/more acceptable to us to explore darker, murkier things with the unreality of the setting.

The way the story has and doesn’t have consent in places (and the way it ends, which is as murky as the rest of it), is one of the reasons we’ve sort of always questioned calling this thing a romance. But I also don’t know what else to call it.

Q: How did you go about (re)building trust and consent between Richard, Matthew and Eli various relationships after that first bite?

A: For there to be real trust — or at least trust the way we understand it out here in our own world — Eli, of course, would have had to have had freedom of movement. Instead, we were writing a situation where one person’s dilemma was “How do I make the best of this?” when they are also very legitimately angry and unwell. So does Eli trust anyone truly? Or just the best he can in a set of given circumstances that he’s grown used to?

And for Matthew, his situation is very complicated, both in giving and gaining trust. I always felt like we were writing someone with a lot of contradictions. He is kind, he has a good sense of himself, but he’s in this relationship that’s very messy and power-imbalanced. And he knows that he feels comfortable choosing that for himself, but the second he’s put in a position of having to justify Richard’s bad choices to another person and enabling that, that really shakes his foundations. Because he knows that’s not good or right or fair and he knows that makes him into a very different sort of person than he wants to be. But at the same time, he’s not willing to blow up his entire life to do the right thing as we, the outsiders to the story, understand it.

Richard, of course, has almost no interest in admitting he’s wrong. He made this mess but is also convinced it’s beneath him. But he does really, really love Matthew. He’s trying to fix this even when he doesn’t entirely understand why what he did matters. I think that’s what ultimately wins over Matthew, he can see Richard is making an effort around a set of things he doesn’t understand and doesn’t even necessarily care about.

Eli is obviously blameless. And we can argue that Richard can’t help his nature. But Matthew makes a choice, so if there’s a villain in this story (and I don’t necessarily think there is), for as kind and as lovely as he wants to be, I do think it’s Matthew. He makes prey possible, both by accident and on purpose.

So writing all that what we tried to do was show different types of trust — some of the characters trust the world they are in and some of the characters trust the people within that world to help them survive it. And at a given point, that idea of having a guide through a strange world becomes more appealing than being on one’s own in a familiar one. And I think a lot of us wrestle with dilemmas that could be described that way, even if those dilemmas aren’t about vampires.

Q: Are you planning to revisit this world again in another book?

A: Maybe. We wrote Snare a long time ago, and it did all right when it came out, for the very narrow niche it’s in (length, M/M/M, HFN instead of HEA, etc.) but it had been — I don’t know if it was naivete or emotional attachment to the story — something we thought would be really huge for us. So we kicked around some ideas. But then the publisher it was with collapsed, and we got distracted by other projects, and it was always a sort of *wistful sigh* sort of feeling of whether we would ever get back to this world.

But we do seem to have a recurring pattern of our books finding their readers far after the fact. Snare is probably our third project to have suddenly made most of its sales several years after initial publication. So revisiting it is possible now in a way it wasn’t before.

I will say that a sequel, if it happens, starts in a very different place. A character we’ve never seen before is in peril, he’s on the run, and his instincts take him to the warren where Snare is set. But when he gets there, the building — this thing he was looking for but didn’t know why — is gone. And it’s through his eyes that we get a sort of history of New York between the events of Snare and the present of the sequel. But the three men who are central to Snare are central to this book, but who and what they are and the world they live in have all changed a lot.

Of course, I’ve teased this while we’re in the middle of writing a 100,000 word sequel to our royal romance, so revisiting this is likely a 2020 sort of thing.

You have written several polyamorous romances; where does Snare fit in with the others?

I think the only thing our polyamorous romances have in common is that they are all very mood driven pieces. Snare is about that building and the snowstorm and all the people moving around in the background before it’s even about its plot. And when I think about The Art of Three, which could not be more different from Snare (no vampires, set in Europe, entirely fade-to-black sex, novel length, very consent and communication focused), that’s also a mood piece to me driven by things like an old farmhouse or a late night ferry ride, the sound of a dog barking welcome in the dark.

I do think we’re more place-driven as writers when we write polyamory, because I think we have this idea that family is a thing that converges and people are drawn together to occupy a space that has power and meaning to them and they’ll figure out the details later. Polyamory to me is about making room and using physical space to show that can save us a lot of 101 words.

Reminder: Our next book is Ascension by Jacqueline Koyanagi and we will be discussing it next week on Saturday July 20th! More info here. We do hope that you will join us!

Our July book is Ascension!

You voted on the poll asking which book we should read and discuss in July, and the winner was Ascension by Jacqueline Koyanagi, a space opera f/f/f polyamorous romance novel!

Our July Polyam Book Club will be Saturday 7/20/19.

  • 11am PDT
  • 2pm EDT
  • 7pm BST

Ascension by Jacqueline Koyanagi

Alana Quick is the best damned sky surgeon in Heliodor City, but repairing starship engines barely pays the bills. When the desperate crew of a cargo vessel stops by her shipyard looking for her spiritually-advanced sister Nova, Alana stows away. Maybe her boldness will land her a long-term gig on the crew. But the Tangled Axon proves to be more than star-watching and plasma coils. The chief engineer thinks he’s a wolf. The pilot fades in and out of existence. The captain is all blond hair, boots, and ego . . . and Alana can’t keep her eyes off her. But there’s little time for romance: Nova’s in danger and someone will do anything—even destroying planets—to get their hands on her!

Content Warnings (highlight to read)

Family members dying in  a sci-fi catastrophe. A graphic description of why someone has a prosthetic. Mention of religious anorexia. MC with chronic pain is seeking a cure for her condition (an analogue to fibromyalgia), which drives the plot. Pain is described in detail. Discussion of spiritual hospice work.

Discussion questions (highlight to read)

  • What were the important (romantic & non-romantic) relationships in the story? How would you describe them?
  • The polyamory aspect only becomes explicit late in the story; when did you first start seeing hints of polyamorous relationships between the characters?
  • What do the polyamorous relationship(s) resolve to by the end of the book?
  • Alana is new to polyamory and assumes that Tev & Slip are monogamous. What did you think about the way they discuss polyamory & their relationship with her?
  • How do the different power dynamics affect the polyamorous relationships in the book?
  • What felt new about the polyamory in this book as compared to other polyamorous fiction you have read? What felt familiar?

 

Help choose our July book!

We are posting a poll about our next book on our Twitter account, so we thought we would share descriptions, links, and content warnings for the options here, so you can make informed choices! You can vote on the poll here!

1. The Submission Gift by Solace Ames, a contemporary kinky m/m/f erotic romance.

Note: This is #2 in a series, but each book stands alone.

The Submission GiftNewlyweds Jay and Adriana had a happy marriage and a spectacular sex life—until tragedy struck. Wounded in a car accident, Jay spent a year recuperating while Adriana worked overtime as a chef to pay their bills. Though he’s made nearly a full recovery, some aspects of their intimate play will never be the same. It’s a small price to pay, all things considered.

But when a long struggle with the insurance company results in an overdue payout, Jay has a plan. He’ll take some of it and hire a high-end rent boy who specializes in sexual dominance. Not for him, but as a gift for Adriana, for taking care of him for the past twelve months.

Paul is the handsome stranger they choose…and the one who changes everything. What starts out as a onetime session to fulfill a fantasy turns into something bigger than all of them. But when the money runs out and Paul’s dangerous past resurfaces, the sacrifices required to stay together may end up tearing them apart…

Content Warnings (highlight to read)

Misogynist workplace harassment subplot. Reference to an attempted sexual assault and stalking in the past. MC works in the intimate partner violence field; story includes brief descriptions of intimate partner violence and child abuse. Minor character is non-consensually drugged. Physical altercation involving a knife that results in a serious injury.

Description of surgery. References to a car accident in the past that led to injuries including a chronic pain condition. MC with depression and PTSD. Minor character has a heart attack. References to prior experience with incarceration. References to queer antagonism. Alcohol use. Marijuana use. Reference to cocaine use in the past.

Sex on the page. Consensual kink on the page, including D/s, humiliation and objectification play, bondage, pain play, gender play, fisting.

2. The Viking Queen’s Men by Holley Trent, a paranormal m/f/m romance

The Viking Queen's Men by Holley TrentContessa Dahl has spent most of her life in a daze. A rudderless orphan, most decisions involved her fists and feet: should she fight or should she run? At twenty-eight, she’s ready to clean up her act, but Tess might be a bit premature because she’s destined to be a special kind of leader.

Born into a group of desert-dwelling telepathic descendants of Vikings, Tess was meant to become a link for them all—their queen and conduit. Her kidnapping and the subsequent death of her parents meant her people, the Afótama, have had a hole in their web for too long. Now that she’s back at home, it’s Tess’s job to mend it. But, she can’t do it alone.

She needs a perfect mate to fill in her psychic gaps, and two men claim to be fated for the job. Harvey Lang, her childhood champion, and the group outsider Oliver Gilisson would fight to the death to win her. However, to gain full control of her considerable power, she must find a way to keep them both.

THE VIKING QUEEN’S MEN is an M/F/M ménage romance that contains hot sex, bar brawls, and psychic snark.

Content Warnings (highlight to read)

Non-consensual drugging. Non-consensual kidnapping. Internalized queer antagonism expressed by the two men at the thought of interacting in bed. Administering pain as non-consensual punishment and expression of hierarchical power.

Sex on the page. D/s.

3. Pink Slip by Katrina Jackson, a contemporary f/f/m erotic romantic suspense novel

Note: Katrina Jackson is a co-organiser of PolyamBookChat. If Pink Slip is selected as our next Book of the Month, she won’t take part in that Chat, but will be back the following month.

Pink Slip by Katrina Jackson.Kierra was a poor poet looking for a job while she worked toward her dream of becoming a published poet. One day she accidentally becomes the personal assistant to married spies. For the last three years she’s lusted after them, not very secretively, until finally she decides it’s time to move on with her life and gives her notice.

During her last week of work, her bosses whisk her away to Serbia for a top secret mission that only she can help them complete. And in the middle of dispatching a European dictator, Kierra and her bosses give in to their deepest desires.

Pink Slip is the first in an erotic/suspense/spy/comedy series that wonders what James Bond’s receptionist’s life might have been like. If James Bond had a wife and they both wanted to shag the receptionist. But the dirty American version of that. And all of the possible entanglements in between.

Content Warnings (highlight to read)

Bosses/employee relationship. Murder. Non-consensual surveillance. Non-consensual kidnapping and bondage. Interrogation. Torture. Dismemberment. Alcohol use.

Sex on the page. Consensual kink, including D/s.

4. Ascension by Jacqueline Koyanagi, a space opera f/f/f polyamorous romance novel.

Ascension by Jacqueline KoyanagiAlana Quick is the best damned sky surgeon in Heliodor City, but repairing starship engines barely pays the bills. When the desperate crew of a cargo vessel stops by her shipyard looking for her spiritually-advanced sister Nova, Alana stows away. Maybe her boldness will land her a long-term gig on the crew. But the Tangled Axon proves to be more than star-watching and plasma coils. The chief engineer thinks he’s a wolf. The pilot fades in and out of existence. The captain is all blond hair, boots, and ego . . . and Alana can’t keep her eyes off her. But there’s little time for romance: Nova’s in danger and someone will do anything—even destroying planets—to get their hands on her!

Content Warnings (highlight to read)

Family members dying in  a sci-fi catastrophe. A graphic description of why someone has a prosthetic. Mention of religious anorexia. MC with chronic pain is seeking a cure for her condition (an analogue to fibromyalgia), which drives the plot. Pain is described in detail. Discussion of spiritual hospice work.

Our first book!

The first book we will be discussing is Snare by Racheline Maltese and Erin McRae!

Our first #PolyamBookClub chat will be Saturday 6/15/19

  • 11am PDT
  • 2pm EDT
  • 7pm BST

snare

When Elliot Iverson, a municipal employee responsible for paperwork pertaining to New York City’s vampire population, knocks on the door of the Gramercy warren, he wants only to resolve a clerical error. But a sudden snowstorm, a new friendship, and an ill-advised threesome force Elliot to make some big choices about his own life and death.

 

Content Warnings (highlight to read)

Alcohol use. Sex on the page. Non-consensual biting (framed as accident that has huge consequences, including trapping the MC there for a year). Consensual blood exchange.

Discussion questions below, highlight to read!

(Some of them are spoilers for the book.)

  • How would you describe the polyamorous relationship(s) in the book?
  • What felt new about the polyamory in this book as compared to other polyamorous fiction you have read? What felt familiar?
  • What about the polyamorous relationships in the book worked for you? What didn’t work for you?
  • What was the role of sex in this story?
  • What did you think of the worldbuilding in Snare?
  • Consent–and lack of consent–is a central issue in this story. What thoughts do you have about how the characters navigated consent in Snare?
  • There are very different dynamics between the individuals in each dyad (pair) in the relationship. How does Eli’s and Matthew’s relationship dynamic differ from Eli’s and Richard’s? Matthew’s and Richard’s?
  • How do you feel about the way Matthew re-starts his relationship with Eli (after Eli has recovered from the bite)?
  • Eli’s first experience of being bitten by a vampire was painful and life-threatening. Why do you think he eventually returned to Richard to ask him to do it again?